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Mountain Hike recommended route Mountain Hike  · Grappa Group

Carpen–Malga dei Roi–Monte Tomatico–Val del Sabbione–Carpen

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  • Malga dei Roi on the left.
    Malga dei Roi on the left.
    Photo: Mario Briotto, Little Fish Trek

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    Ascent to Monte Tomatico in the Grappa Group passing through Malga dei Roi and Malga Paoda; descent crossing the northern slope and final return to Carpen via Val del Sabbione.

    moderate
    Distance 15.7 km
    9:00 h
    1,730 m
    1,730 m
    1,595 m
    203 m

    Loop route from Val del Piave (or Piave Valley) towards Monte Tomatico with the aim of following unusual trails and tracks.

    It is advisable to consider this route both in the full version and in a "light" version that cuts from the summit of Monte Tomatico directly to Casera Lusena via the easy northeast ridge.

    In this way, the more "adventurous" but objectively uncomfortable part of the northern slope traverse is avoided.

    The light version remains a route almost entirely outside CAI trails and very balanced overall: off the beaten path without exaggerating.

    It is a loop that touches nearly all the slopes of Monte Tomatico, covering various types of paths on this mountain: marked CAI and ENEL signs; unmarked wide, narrow or simple tracks; grassy and wooded; gentle and steep; and so on…

    If you are fond of these mountains and have kilometers and elevation gain in your legs (full or light version), it will be a nice day of exploring the territory.

    It is good to plan the outing with good weather forecasts.

    As far as I know, there is no bibliography except for the very first part up to Malga dei Roi.

    Navigation is not easy in various points unless you already know the area from previous partial hikes (as in my case), or unless you... have a recorded GPS track.

    Remember that the GPS track is not precise to the meter even if followed with the same device that recorded it: very useful but always to be integrated with personal observations of the day.

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    T4 moderate
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    moderate

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    Monte Tomatico, 1,595 m
    Lowest point
    Carpen, 203 m
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    Malga Paoda

    Safety information

    Avoid periods when there may still be residual snow.

    Tips and suggestions

    For a complete overview of itineraries covered and described on the Monte Grappa Massif, you can refer to the link → Monte Grappa Massif – unusual hikes and snowshoe tours.

    Roadbook

    Start from the Carpen bus stop and a few minutes on an asphalt road towards Pra Fontana.

    You leave towards a short mule track that ends where a path sharply rises to the right through the woods leading to Malga dei Roi.

    Here, attention is needed at a couple of crossroads with "paths of equal importance": if you make a mistake, there are no dangers, but you have to turn back, wasting energy that may be useful later.

    These are points where having a pre-recorded GPS track can be useful: even if "the fork is narrow" and satellite reception combined with the device's internal compass is not good for immediately understanding where to go, it is enough to walk about twenty meters in one direction to immediately see if you are diverging or retracing the recorded track.

    At Malga dei Roi, there is a small path continuing behind, but it has collapsed in the first part and is clearly obstructed by brambles and various branches.

    It is better, as indicated by the GPS, to follow the service dirt road of the malga for a few dozen meters, which, passing a viewpoint over the Piave Valley, with a large right hairpin bend leads to the continuation of the trail on good solid ground and initially quite steep.

    To resume the trail, on the day of my passage, I had to climb over a large pile of wood deposited by people working in the area: this may not always be the case, but it can happen.

    At a certain point, you pass the ruins of Old Malga Roi where, surprisingly, there is an old and large CAI trail marker numbered 850.

    The CAI 850 is now located elsewhere, and for that area, I did not find any dashed lines on any of the old maps I possess.

    Finally, you exit the woods, intuitively cross a grassy area to reach and cross the CAI 844 path that ascends from Cilladon and reach the Paoda stables or Malga Paoda.

    From Malga Paoda, ignoring the "always tempting direction" to the Prada ledge, follow the usual direct ascent (some steep sections) on grassy slopes (passing near the summit of Monte Paoda) to join the higher variation of the Alta Via degli Eroi and then comfortably finish at the summit of Monte Tomatico.

    Here you can choose the aforementioned "light version" towards Casera Lusena, or take the beautiful northwest ridge and descend about 500 meters of altitude: it is a bit steeper than the northeast but never problematic.

    I have already described these two ridges in more detail within two routes: Monte Tomatico: ascent via Northeast Ridge and Monte Tomatico via CAI 841 trail and Northwest Ridge.

    The exit point from the northwest ridge is not very clear, there is no obvious trace on the ground and reference can be made to a large red mark on a tree.

    It may also happen that this red mark on the tree is hard to find, and other traces are not easy to see either, and the slope is quite steep.

    I found a few very faded white-red construction tapes and some orange marks, and you have to go a bit up and down (or down and up depending on preference) to avoid some rocky ribs and more or less maintain the altitude: it will be a slow and quite tiring progression.

    A couple of short but quite “dug” gullies to cross.

    Surprisingly, a couple of stretches of mule track with a retaining wall that disappear into nothingness – but really and SUDDENLY into nothingness – shortly after.

    I believe that on each passage, references will or will not be observed differently.

    At about halfway through the northern traverse, you reach the remains of Casera Pian Alt (and who worked here?), after which the track remains constant and finally allows walking with the whole foot supported (not just the edge, tip, or heel).

    At the end, you join a dirt road (with some cemented sections) that leads to the reunion with the northeast ridge from where you would start the light version of the route: shortly after you reach Casera Lusena to enter Val del Sabbione.

    Val del Sabbione is – except for the entrance – well marked with ENEL-type red marks.

    In fact, the upper entrance is not at all intuitive and the GPS can help with a couple of forks (watch for the first one almost immediately) along the descent.

    Besides the entrance, the red marks are many and confirm that you are on the right track, and there are no sections without ground traces.

    To conclude, you reach the end of Val del Sabbione at Croci locality, from where you head towards the CAI 850 trail to return to Carpen and the starting parking lot.

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    Directions

    The locality Carpen is located along Regional Road 348 between Feltre and Quero Vas.

    Coordinates

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    45.970433, 11.933225
    DMS
    45°58'13.6"N 11°55'59.6"E
    UTM
    32T 727244 5094946
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    Author’s map recommendations

    Publisher TABACCO number 051 "Massiccio del Grappa Bassano - Feltre" 1:25,000

    ITALIAN ALPINE CLUB Vicentine Sections of the C.A.I. "CANALE DEL BRENTA E MASSICCIO DEL GRAPPA" 1:25,000

    ZANETTI MAPS Trails covered 105 "IL MASSICCIO DEL GRAPPA" 1:30,000 with GPS grid

    Mountain Communities of Grappa - Brenta - Feltre "Il Massiccio del Grappa" 1:30,000

    Equipment

    Standard hiking gear.

    Walking poles useful in many places.

    Localization

    Parts of this content were machine translated from Italian.

    User Questions


    November 20, 2023
    Mario Briotto  
    Buonasera Giorgio, grazie per i complimenti che mi fanno particolare piacere visto che arrivano da uno che se ne intende di itinerari in zona. Conosco bene il libro che ho molto apprezzato in tutte le proposte e che ho iniziato a «sfruttare» a partire dalle Cenge dell’Oro. Poi l’ho inserito tra i libri consigliati negli itinerari dove c’è una certa sovrapposizione tra quello che ho fatto e quanto era relazionato nel libro – e dunque è tra quelli consigliati anche per le Cenge dell’Oro, soprattutto perché è il primo libro in assoluto che le descrive: congratulazioni per la riscoperta❗ Altri itinerari dove l’ho segnalato sono quelli del Cesén da Marziai e la Dorsale Nord Est del Tomatico. Alcune proposte del libro le ho fatte in relax senza fotocamera e GPS, e dunque senza pubblicarle – ma se le riprenderò non mancherò le citazioni. Allego una scansione che mi ero preparato per avere sempre sott’occhio il posizionamento di tutti gli itinerari del libro. Grazie ancora per i complimenti e … buon cammino. 😉
    Photo: Mario Briotto, Little Fish Trek
    November 20, 2023
    Giorgio Grandin
    Questioner
    Grazie a Lei, non avevo visto le bibliografie. E' un piacere assoluto scoprire persone che navigano ancora per quelle zone, necessariamente spinte da una passione particolare che conosco bene. Le tracce gpx dovrebbero aiutare in certi tratti, io non le usavo e non erano diffuse. Chiamerò vecchi amici e userò le sue tracce gpx magari per ri-fare il crestone del Tomatico nella Sua versione.... Grazie
    November 21, 2023
    Mario Briotto  
    E allora buona rimpatriata con gli amici❗🙋‍♂️

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    Ciao Giorgio!!! Lieto di vedere che nei tuoi pensieri c'e' ancora il Tomadech!!

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    Difficulty
    T4 moderate
    Overall difficulty
    moderate

    Derived from the technical difficulty and the stamina requirements.

    Distance
    15.7 km
    Duration
    9:00 h
    Ascent
    1,730 m
    Descent
    1,730 m
    Highest point
    1,595 m
    Lowest point
    203 m
    Round trip Summit route Refreshment stops available

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